“They don't do that kinda stuff!”
Mary said with some tension in her voice.
“How do you know?!” Edgar asked.
“Because they're good people, that's
why!”
“Yeah, I know! But they are it in a
sense that permits wrongdoings if only there are ways to feel good
about oneself just the same!”
She looked chocked. “Really!?”
He nodded. “Yeah, really!”
She looked thoughtful. “Are you
saying they actually could have us believe they really wouldn't hurt
anyone, but really only look and seem innocent in a way that appeals
to our common sense of morality?!”
“Yeah! That's what I say! But don't
tell everyone that I've told you so! They can be very dangerous at
times. ....”
Mary looked thoughtful and a bit
annoyed. “I don't believe I would be into seeing them if I knew
this for certain about them!” she proclaimed. “Moreover, I
wouldn't let them get away with it!”
“How the heck do you think you would
be able to nail them?! It's they who wold be innocent enough for
people who didn't know yet - and those - fairly few - who
manage to figure it out, they don't dare to take part in what could
be called for example blackmail of a very reputable family!”
Annoyed again, Mary hissed a little
before saying: “It's not hey who should be getting away with it and
that's final!”
“I can't help it, it's not even I who
really can help that they are reputable as long as their surfaces
seem to be totally moral.”
“If this is really true about them,
then how can we be sure there is a point to believe even at all in
common sense about whom to trust?”
He looked thoughtful and a bit
troubled. “I'm not quite sure about it. I suppose, though, that we
can't always trust our senses, but only sometimes. Simply like that!
How about it?”
Mary seemed sort of relieved after
hearing this. But she still seemed to hate that those people got away
with it. “Is there any way there can be safety against that one is
fooled by them?”
“Only sort of, I think. One can only
double-check their statements and insinuations. Probably that's all
one can do.”
“Holy canoli! Then how can we go on
with this kind of naive judgement? I mean wouldn't it make us all
perish or something?”
“We all have to survive that it's all
in them to be able to take like that. It's we who must survive, not
they who should be able to kill us all.”
“I know! But how come we don't all
perish since this by all reason must have been a weakness in our
judgements since ages - or mustn't it?”
He thought about it. “I guess,” he
said after a while, “that is so because one can survive them! It's
only that one must see to it that one doesn't get in their way.”
“Are you sure that's enough? ... How
come then, doesn't it happen that more more people do that? And if
that does happen then how can we survive one another?”
He looked thoughtful again. “yeah, I
feel sure that it's enough. But I think it's because their souls
still do perish for it! That way God can see to it that at least we
can learn from our mistakes.”
She looked surprised. “But how come
there's no one who has learned by now that we do have to get at such
people somehow?”
“I guess it's just because they
aren't so easy to get at without them having excuses to get at those
who are more innocent than they.”
“There's no one who can say there
isn't a way to get at them without there being any way to say to
oneself that one really has to hanker on without having it they're
mean enough to actually get at!”
“That's exactly what I mean.”
“Great. Then we can agree about
that.” Edgar replied. But the looked thoughtful and added: “In a
sense, Mary, it's worse of you can be with a female counterpart who
is doing that, than with a male one. Because a male one tends to give
himself away by being too decisive, while a female one tends to seem
to be innocent just by being the one not to have the power to
emphasize her ability to manipulate as important. ... I'm not sure if
that's exactly it, but it seems to be something like that.”
Mary looked kind of nonplussed. She
thought about it for a while, then said: “I canot feel sure that I do
not manipulate that way. But I can feel sure that I could have said
to myself that I wouldn't have to be in power just in order to get
things straight. ... About her, I guess that if she, whoever that is, feels that things
straight is to be about a lie as were it the truth, then she cold
perhaps lie even better than you guys, since she is not the one to
really be intense about wanting to lie. Right?”
Edgar looked at her. “Yeah. Right!”
he said after a while.